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tomcruisejr · Aug 19, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Curse You

They are overpowered how? You can interupt their attack, demolish them with degen, and of course use Protective Spirit to counter their damage.

yes they are overpowered. make them do damage when players got 90% health please.

Legendary Shiz · Aug 19, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

yes they are overpowered. make them do damage when players got 90% health please.

I can honestly admit, that was one of the better e-laughs I've had to date.

Curse You · Aug 19, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

There were many different ways to counter EoE, yet that got the nerf bat.

Don't see why there should be a difference here.

The ways to counter EoE are different.

You can use Mark of Protection to counter the damage, but it has a 45 second recharge. You can kill the spirit, but they can always block your path, or use spirit heals (spawning power anyone?). You could try interupting the EoE placer, but they (should) use Mantra of Resolve, and knockdowns take some time.

I see much fewer counters to EoE that are as easy to execute as simply using Protective Spirit, or interupting the Turtle (which does not use Mantra of Resolve).

Legendary Shiz · Aug 19, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Curse You

The ways to counter EoE are different.

You can use Mark of Protection to counter the damage, but it has a 45 second recharge. You can kill the spirit, but they can always block your path, or use spirit heals (spawning power anyone?). You could try interupting the EoE placer, but they (should) use Mantra of Resolve, and knockdowns take some time.

I see much fewer counters to EoE that are as easy to execute as simply using Protective Spirit, or interupting the Turtle (which does not use Mantra of Resolve).

So that's for EoE bombing...but what about EoE in IWAY which was another use for it.

I doubt you'll be seeing any mantra of resolve on an IWAY warrior unless anet makes charm animal a mesmer skill.

Curse You · Aug 19, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

So that's for EoE bombing...but what about EoE in IWAY which was another use for it.

I doubt you'll be seeing any mantra of resolve on an IWAY warrior unless anet makes charm animal a mesmer skill.

You have no idea what you're talking about do you? The experienced IWAY builds I have seen (as in they made it to the Hall) use Ranger to deploy EoE. The simple fact is, a ranger can add up to 4 more attribute levels to Beast Mastery, and so they can make the best damage output.
Also, when was the last time you saw an IWAY with enough Beast Mastery for it to be worth it to use EoE?

perfect · Aug 19, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

This is the funniest post I've read in a long time. I got to rank 3 in 2 DAYS. We held HA for 6 hours straight for both days. I was so bored out of my mind I've never gone back but on rare instances.

Edge bomb was never a problem. In many cases it killed itself and could never make to the last map unless a skip let alone hold it.

I did read your post and responded acordingly. You might want to try to read mine and stop dying vs edge.

I explicitly am talking about Iway who use EoE to clear every character off the map in Hall of Heroes, not singular edge bomb builds. I bolded it for you this time since you still dont get it.

From your description of your PvP experience it seems like you haven't done Heroes Ascent since before Iway become part of the metagame and evolved. When is the last time you saw a team hold for 6 hours straight?

Maybe you still PvP but unless you have consistently played at Heroes Ascent your view is flawed.

twicky_kid · Aug 19, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

EoE vs Heal party = gg

1-2 heal party during the bomb is enough to save your entire team. You don't even have to touch the edge.

To me this is a classic example of anet making changes based on unskilled players comments. GW takes time and dedication to learn. If everything was handed to you on a silver platter it will be boring for the vets and unattractive to the ADD generation.

Just to add another note here thanx for making jade and amber near worthless with this double faction. gg Anet gg

When are you going to learn that players want something that is going to maintain is value over a long period of time. Ecto and Shards are great but FoW is really overrated. Many of the 15k armor looks totally better. This game isn't suppose to be about items but in pve what else is there. If you keep making everything in our inventories worthless how are we going to gain money to afford the really expensive items that did retain their value?

Legendary Shiz · Aug 19, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Curse You

You have no idea what you're talking about do you? The experienced IWAY builds I have seen (as in they made it to the Hall) use Ranger to deploy EoE. The simple fact is, a ranger can add up to 4 more attribute levels to Beast Mastery, and so they can make the best damage output.
Also, when was the last time you saw an IWAY with enough Beast Mastery for it to be worth it to use EoE?

Yeah I got it that the ranger uses it, but in PUG groups (highest number of IWAY groups) the wars all bring EoE. So though I agree 100% with you on the ranger bringing it, and I know that's who *should* bring it, just saying it's not always like that.

twicky_kid · Aug 19, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by perfect

I explicitly am talking about Iway who use EoE to clear every character off the map in Hall of Heroes, not singular edge bomb builds. I bolded it for you this time since you still dont get it.

From your description of your PvP experience it seems like you haven't done Heroes Ascent since before Iway become part of the metagame and evolved. When is the last time you saw a team hold for 6 hours straight?

Maybe you still PvP but unless you have consistently played at Heroes Ascent your view is flawed.

I also addressed IWAY as well. Edge hurts IWAY just as much as you. Try using it to your advantage. Fight on the stairs and just putrid all their pets. GG.

Saw a team hold for more than 5 hours last week. Thank you and have a good day.

Legendary Shiz · Aug 19, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by perfect

I explicitly am talking about Iway who use EoE to clear every character off the map in Hall of Heroes, not singular edge bomb builds. I bolded it for you this time since you still dont get it.

From your description of your PvP experience it seems like you haven't done Heroes Ascent since before Iway become part of the metagame and evolved. When is the last time you saw a team hold for 6 hours straight?

Maybe you still PvP but unless you have consistently played at Heroes Ascent your view is flawed.

Agreed. Haven't seen somebody hold for that long in AGES.

perfect · Aug 19, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I also addressed IWAY as well. Edge hurts IWAY just as much as you. Try using it to your advantage. Fight on the stairs and just putrid all their pets. GG.

Saw a team hold for more than 5 hours last week. Thank you and have a good day.

Let me explain how it happens in Hall of Heroes.

You are holding halls, there are 8 people on the team who must heal themselves and the ghost on the altar. There are 2 other teams hellbent on killing you. Probably at least 1 of them is an Iway with EoE that they put down in the last minute, it is usually about 42dmg or so but sometimes more. When both teams rush you, you cannot sit on the stairs because of AoE and no room to kite damage and too far to heal your ghost. With 16 players all attacking the 8 on your team you will take dmg, your teammates will not all be at full health at all times. Iway runs in and starts whacking away, they have no monks so they start to getting very low in health. Suddenly EoE is up across the room, the Iway lets 7 of its players die and 300+ dmg in 1 second, which will kill some players on the other teams which causes a chain reaction and does over 600 dmg to everything. Then a necro who was sitting at the top of the stairs with their ghost walks down and claims altar unopposed.

It was a cheap trick, plain and simple.

twicky_kid · Aug 19, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Yet again you have to be in range of Edge. Kill it and its gg. IWAY will fold.

I don't need you to explain how it works. 80% of the matches in HA is IWAY. That's why our build is specificly made to kill IWAY and be able to heal the ghost through any other kind of build we run into.

As said before if you lose vs Edge its a lack of your own skill. Learn and adapt. After IWAY fades there will be another FOTM right behind it.

Curse You · Aug 19, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

Yeah I got it that the ranger uses it, but in PUG groups (highest number of IWAY groups) the wars all bring EoE. So though I agree 100% with you on the ranger bringing it, and I know that's who *should* bring it, just saying it's not always like that.

In that case, the team doesn't loose because the EoE gets killed, they loose becuase they are inexperienced and have no idea what to do.

perfect · Aug 19, 2006, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Yet again you have to be in range of Edge. Kill it and its gg. IWAY will fold.

Hall of Heroes altar area is the size of the spirit range

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I don't need you to explain how it works. 80% of the matches in HA is IWAY. That's why our build is specificly made to kill IWAY and be able to heal the ghost through any other kind of build we run into.

What super duper build do you run that defeats everything?

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

As said before if you lose vs Edge its a lack of your own skill. Learn and adapt. After IWAY fades there will be another FOTM right behind it.

Seeing how Iway has been around for almost as long as Guild Wars, it doesnt fit into the catagory of FOTM, it has evolved and continues to. As easily as you point out to "learn and adapt" like you know what you are talking about, I suggest you learn and adapt to the new EoE for farming your grawls and vermin since that was its only other legitimate use.

Sea Edge · Aug 19, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by Curse You

The ways to counter EoE are different.
I see much fewer counters to EoE that are as easy to execute as simply using Protective Spirit, or interupting the Turtle (which does not use Mantra of Resolve).

Unnatural Signet, Consume Soul, Sprit Walk. These are very good anti spirit skills.

twicky_kid · Aug 19, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by perfect

Hall of Heroes altar area is the size of the spirit range

What super duper build do you run that defeats everything?

Seeing how Iway has been around for almost as long as Guild Wars, it doesnt fit into the catagory of FOTM, it has evolved and continues to. As easily as you point out to "learn and adapt" like you know what you are talking about, I suggest you learn and adapt to the new EoE for farming your grawls and vermin since that was its only other legitimate use.

Its a build designed to hold. We kill IWAY till we get to Halls. Then we take down IWAY and hold out for the rest of the match. All you have to do is keep you ghost alive to win. I don't have to beat anything else but IWAY.

I've been playing the game since 04 beta I do know what I'm talking about. I've seen and ran just any any pvp bar you can name. Now not to waste more of my time use the search to find ways to beat IWAY.

IWAY is still a FOTM build. The game used to evolve much faster than it does now. Basicly any gimmick build is a FOTM. Since the games doesn't change every month like it used to they are now called "gimmicks."

Farming is not how I make my money my friend. Farming is for the people that have nothing to do and want to kill some time. I make more gold per hour than any farming spot can hope to yeild.

Edge is an immediate threat in pvp. If you do not deal with it or use tactics to beat it you will lose. That's where the player skill comes in. Players with low skill will die. Seasoned and vet players will know exactly what to do.

perfect · Aug 19, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Its a build designed to hold. We kill IWAY till we get to Halls. Then we take down IWAY and hold out for the rest of the match. All you have to do is keep you ghost alive to win. I don't have to beat anything else but IWAY.

I've been playing the game since 04 beta I do know what I'm talking about. I've seen and ran just any any pvp bar you can name. Now not to waste more of my time use the search to find ways to beat IWAY.

IWAY is still a FOTM build. The game used evolve much faster than it does now. Basicly any gimmick build is a FOTM. Since the games doesn't change every month like it used to they are now called "gimmicks."

Farming not how I make my money my friend. Farming is for the people that have nothing to do and want to kill some time. I make more gold per hour than any farming spot can hope to yeild.

Edge is an immediate threat in pvp. If you do not deal with it or us tactics to beat it you will lose. That's where the player skill comes in. Players with low skill will die. Seasoned and vet players will know exactly what to do.

Your hesitation to post your build or explain it in any detail begs to differ. I have no problem defeating Iway, nor do I need tips. EoE is still very powerful as I have witnessed today and tactics against it havent changed; to find it quickly and kill it, as we always have. EoE in Halls was a nuisance but not gamebreaking, it was accepted that you needed to keep an eye out for it. My intent was not that it was overpowered, I simply was applauding Anet for this skill change in regards to an aspect I enjoy.

The whole reason you started this thread was to grief (look at the title) and it seems just for the sake of griefing. You claim to be an ultimate PvPer with an unstoppable build and have a secret gold getting strategy that outdoes every farmer apparently. Without any explaination or facts your claims seem rediculous. (btw eBay doesnt count

)

g'night. gg. gl

twicky_kid · Aug 19, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by perfect

Your hesitation to post your build or explain it in any detail begs to differ. I have no problem defeating Iway, nor do I need tips. EoE is still very powerful as I have witnessed today and tactics against it havent changed; to find it quickly and kill it, as we always have. EoE in Halls was a nuisance but not gamebreaking, it was accepted that you needed to keep an eye out for it. My intent was not that it was overpowered, I simply was applauding Anet for this skill change in regards to an aspect I enjoy.

The whole reason you started this thread was to grief (look at the title) and it seems just for the sake of griefing. You claim to be an ultimate PvPer with an unstoppable build and have a secret gold getting strategy that outdoes every farmer apparently. Without any explaination or facts your claims seem rediculous. (btw eBay doesnt count

)

g'night. gg. gl

My build is commonly known as the putrid build. I've seen players run it and fall flat on their faces. My group has ran it over a year with minor tweaks with factions.

As for the gold people here know my tricks and any one that can make gold knows not to tell. Otherwise it won't be there in a month's time.

I don't have to explain anything to anyone to be honest that is what the search feature is for.

The post was made to bring light to a change in a skill that was not really warrented. This was a band aid fix. If you had bothered to read the pages you would have seen that other people have said the exact same thing. Instead of creating punishment for leechers and greifers that use exploits the nerf the skill that caused it.

In pve does anyone care that EoE makes the missions and areas faster? Hell no.

In PvP does anyone care that you get hit by an edge bomb. Most do not because after the first time you won't fall for it again.

In AB there were greifers that killed the party before it even began. There is a problem with that.

In aspenwood EoE would wipe the NPCs including everyone else in no time. Learn to bring a rit. Union = EoE nullified. There is a reason people run rits to drag out to vod. Spirits and NPCs = advantage.

I haven't seen eoe all day in aspenwood. I'm still winning the battle within 5 minutes. Its called bringing a monk to keep the turtle alive. You don't need anything else. EoE was just iceing on the cake.

So the real problem was only AB greifing. So lets nerf it in all aspects of the game.

If GW continues in this manner they are going to lose players. Many players have already left because of updates like this. If you happen to listen to weapon of choice every week they just had this discussion last week.

For GW to survive its going to have to break up into different formats. Each format can have a restricted list of skills from a pertiular chapter they can use. GW created there game much like MTG. The problem MTG had was power 9 was always going to rule anything that would come out in the future. So they had to break the tournements up into T1, T2, Extend, Extend 1.5, Sealed deck, and draft.

They have already tested the sealed at Comicon. I expect that to the new hitch on Nightfalls like the AB was for factions.

They also need to break the ladder up into different Teirs then have the tournements. Having everyone under 1 ladder shuts players out. Now with the champ points and titles /rank was the last thing that GvG players wanted. There is a reason most people cannot get a team in HA.

GW has some major problems on their hands. Nightfalls is going to be their breaking point. It will decide if the game will continue at the quality we enjoyed the first year of GW. A few months pre-Factions and after its been going down hill. If GW doesn't do something besides these little band aid fixes they are going to lose a lot of players.

Legendary Shiz · Aug 19, 2006, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by perfect

Your hesitation to post your build or explain it in any detail begs to differ. I have no problem defeating Iway, nor do I need tips. EoE is still very powerful as I have witnessed today and tactics against it havent changed; to find it quickly and kill it, as we always have. EoE in Halls was a nuisance but not gamebreaking, it was accepted that you needed to keep an eye out for it. My intent was not that it was overpowered, I simply was applauding Anet for this skill change in regards to an aspect I enjoy.

The whole reason you started this thread was to grief (look at the title) and it seems just for the sake of griefing. You claim to be an ultimate PvPer with an unstoppable build and have a secret gold getting strategy that outdoes every farmer apparently. Without any explaination or facts your claims seem rediculous. (btw eBay doesnt count

)

g'night. gg. gl

Sorry twicky, I'm going to have to agree with perfect here.

Anybody can claim to be or be ble to do something.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 19, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Honestly, if you think this is such a big frickin nerf, you either are a EoE farmer, someone who enjoyed edge bombing the Kurzicks in Ft. Aspenwood, someone who fame farms with EoE bomb, or a griefer. Very simple. No one else should be affected by this.

QFT.
But you forgot one class of player: the guys bitching about ANY change to ANYTHING, EVER.